Tuesday, April 18, 2006

Phil Valentine is a Jerk...

...for saying on his show today that the story of the woman in the Duke lacrosse alleged rape case was automatically suspect because she's a stripper, and that she was crazy for expecting to do her job in front of drinking college boys and not have them go further. Phil prefaced all this with, "I hate to say it" and other such qualifiers. But really, could you get any closer to saying that a woman is automatically a liar and should have expected to be raped because she's a stripper? That if women need to exploit their own bodies in order to survive, they can expect to be sexually assaulted and are guilty of untruths until proven innocent? Please. Would you say the same thing about a Hooters waitress? It's not a very fine line between that and saying any other woman "asked for it" because of what she was wearing. Maybe Phil has been taking too many cues from Rush, who called the woman a "ho."

I'm not taking a side on the case itself, because I don't think I've heard enough about the evidence to do so. However, I don't think it's a very safe or healthy world for women when the notion of asking for it is acceptable. Oh, and Phil, she's a college student and mother of two. Presumably, she's stripping in order to pull herself up by her bootstraps like you conservatives appreciate so much, and to make a better life for herself and her children. How about laying off until the facts are in?

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Blogger Kat Coble said...

I can't believe you actually wasted time listening to Phil Valentine.

I'm convinced they say that reprehensible stuff to keep people tuning in.

2:04 AM  
Blogger Rachel said...

I know. (sigh) During my commute, I'll sometimes listen to a few minutes of whatever is on 99.7 just to see what is being said, and whether I can agree with anything. The answer is typically "no," as you might imagine.

5:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. What an ass. I can't decide if he says that stuff for ratings or if he is merely saying what so many people actually believe.

Do people think strippers deserve to be raped more than an 18-year-old girl who works dipping ice cream? Probably. Undoubtedly, there are some. And that makes me so very sad.

6:04 AM  
Blogger Kat Coble said...

I'll sometimes listen to a few minutes of whatever is on 99.7 just to see what is being said, and whether I can agree with anything.

If it makes you feel better, I'm a conservative and can't agree with them most of the time.

From the bits and pieces I've heard over the years, plus the one time a couple of weeks ago I was stuck listening without being able to change the channel, it seems like they've devolved into egging on the peanut gallery. Presumably because a large portion of the folks who can be tuned in for hours at a time don't have anything better to do. Like work. Or read. Or talk to those what-do-you-call-them? Oh yeah, actual friends.

Man, that was judgmental. Sorry. I just can't figure out who believes some of the stuff I've heard them say.

And bonus points to all the Neanderthals who go into a strip club thinking they have every right to force themselves on a woman simply because she was doing what they asked--providing them a service.

10:36 AM  
Blogger Titusina Andronica said...

Kat, I think you're a bad conservative, just like I'm a bad liberal.

Well, either that, or we're both actually rational. Gasp! ;)

3:05 PM  
Blogger Michael Hickerson said...

Oh come on now...Phil is far better than Blake Fulton. AT least Phil doesn't try to pick up his female callers on the air....or run hours on people telling him what dog he should buy to be a girl magnet...

12:07 PM  
Blogger Rachel said...

I've never heard Blake Fulton, so I can't speak to that. However, I think wasting airtime on dog advice soliciation is considerably more benign than suggesting that a woman is automatically a liar and should expect to be raped based on her occupation.

12:38 PM  
Blogger Michael Hickerson said...

Well, Blake Fulton had a sports call in show that was on 99.7 but moved on over to 106.7 the Fan before it got canned cause Plaster's show was wiping the floor with Fulton's in the ratings. What I was trying to (jokingly) say is that at least Phil Valentine, no matter how loathsome you may find the opinions, doesn't use his air time as some kind of persoanl vanity project. (Such as Fulton and Steve Gill do). He stays with what his target audience wants to hear.

Now, I fully agree that what Phil said was just completely reprehensable and that no woman deserves to be raped. Hell, I think this whole situation points out why so many women will not take the time to report a rape--because they're put on trial as well. There's a shock-jock named Mancow who has what he calls Mancow's law. It refers to child molestors, serial killers and rapists which is--just go ahead and put 'em in prison on death row...one-stirke, you're out.

A bit harsh, but sometimes you wonder if he doesnt' have a point...

6:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a woman who listens to Valentine. And enjoys his show. And although I dont think the young "lady" deserved to be raped or assualted BUT sometimes the actions and situations you put yourself in may up your chances of having something bad happen to you. No way would I even consider stripping in front of a bunch of drunk college guys. Most strippers have body guards go with them. If you play with dogs, you will be treated like a dog. Not that you deserve it....but come on!

1:29 PM  
Blogger Phil Valentine said...

You ladies may think I'm a jerk but now you know I was right. DNA evidence proves the Duke boys didn't do it.

By the way, my original comment that caused such a stir here was as follows: "If you walk into a drunken party without a body guard with a bunch of college guys and start taking your clothes off, don't be surprised if somebody tries to go too far."

Again, you know I'm right.

5:16 AM  
Blogger Rachel said...

A couple of things for Phil:
1) I was listening to the show in question, and the quote provided in the comment was not the entirety of the discussion. It was surrounded by the typical guffawing and "you know what I mean" *wink* commentary.
2) The point was never the woman's truthfulness, if you read the post. It was the "deserved it" context. The actual outcome is not relevant to discreting someone purely on the basis of occupation or thinking women ask for it.
3) So, no, still not right.

10:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I know you wrote your post in 2006, but the case has been proven since and you are found wrong, so not to throw a smack into your face, but the stripper admitted to lieing about the whole rape thing. So that means Phil was right and you were wrong for thinking she shouldn't have been thought of as a lier.

9:42 PM  
Blogger Rachel said...

No, Phil was still wrong to assume that women should expect to be assaulted or be thought of as liars automatically because of the work that they do. If you read and understood the original post, I specifically said, "I'm not taking a side on the case itself, because I don't think I've heard enough about the evidence." I never took a position on the actual case, but on the disgusting nature of suggesting that all woman should expect to be raped and are necessarily untrustworthy simply because of their jobs.

6:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Listening to Phil right now. He is spinning the whole Imus situation...conveniently points out that Imus was trying to say good things about the Lady Vols. Of course he doesn't mention that Imus agreed with his producer who said it was the Jigaboos vs. the Ho's or something like that. I lean more right than the left but can't stand Phil. Can't trust him...too much spin.

6:58 PM  
Blogger Rachel said...

Note to Lee (anonymous the 2nd time, after saying anonymous bloggers should proudly display their names):

Yes, when you come here to simply try to call names and insult, your comment doesn't get through. There's a comment policy, and comments are moderated because this site has migrated elsewhere. Suggesting that I (and my friends) shouldn't be listened to because we're "probably strippers," though, belies an attitude that is essentially what Phil displays - that a human being is worth less to you based on their occupation.

9:36 AM  

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